Brewing Thoughts

April 5, 2007

Christianity vs. the United States of America

Filed under: Politics,Religion — jidd @ 2:50 pm

Recently, a college friend whom I haven’t seen for about 5 years found me on MySpace. After some meandering, I ended up on said educational institution’s MySpace Forums, reading a thread asking “Can Christians be Democrats?”

After skimming through about 30 posts vaunting the various popular mainstream Christian views on Republicans and Democrats, I couldn’t help but jump into the fray.

Unsurprisingly, my suggestion that government be agnostic was not the most popular view in the room. The concepts of personal responsibility, separation of church and state, and liberty quite frankly seem to be completely lost on that audience.

The United States has thrived because since it’s inception it basically (in principle at least) let people do what they wish, provided they did not interfere with another’s right to do the same. Granted, we’ve had our own battles over equality, but by and large things were an expansion of the concept of unalienable rights to all parties. How else is a heterogeneous society to survive?

Jesus CampOn a related note, I recently watched Jesus Camp. Has anyone else seen this? Thoughts, reactions? It makes me curious about the demographics of Christians in America today. How many Christians watch this film and are ashamed to wear the name Christian in comparison to how many watch it and just think “damn liberal media.”

If anyone is interested in reading the discussion which precipitated this post, enjoy. My contributions begin on the 3rd page.



  1. I saw Jesus Camp. My reaction was something akin to, “Jesus!”

    I also was curious about the demographics of the piece but mostly am curious about the schism between the more fundamentalist/conservative people who claim to be Christians versus more moderate/progressive people who claim to be Christians.

    How as a Christian does one reconcile that? Who is anyone to decry other members of a group? Does the radical fundamentalism of Christianity lead to further divisions which diminish the credibility of all the other groups who claim to follow the one true God?

    Comment by Adam — April 25, 2007 @ 10:39 am | Reply

  2. If I knew how to reconcile the entire spectrum of those who call themselves Christians into one united group, my surname would probably be “Christ”. As for decrying other members of a group, are you asking when is it okay to say that somebody else is wrong? Infighting certainly diminishes credibility, but to how much worse is it not to speak up when you see that which you perceive to be contrary to the supposed premise?

    I suppose we’ll all just have to rest comfortably knowing that WE’RE the ones who are right. =) {tongue in cheek}

    Comment by JD — April 25, 2007 @ 2:04 pm | Reply

  3. I wasn’t very clear on that first question. It was more akin to a personal question. How does one deal with a whole slew of sub-groups within the greater group of Christianity that have differing desires/ends? You’ve got some people calling for the deathes of others (see Pat Robertson) and others calling for passivism (see Quakers/Amish/etc) and they both claim Christianity. That’s a huge disparity.

    You ask, “how much worse is it not to speak up when you see that which you perceive to be contrary to the supposed premise?” Unfortunately, the same people (calling themselves Christian) that are stockpiling guns and taking potshots at abortion doctors are asking the same thing about people who claim Christianity and say abortion is just fine.

    Across the whole spectrum of the religion there are pretty much polar opposites of every issue, all claiming the revelation of Christ as rationalization for what they believe.

    Comment by Adam — April 25, 2007 @ 2:55 pm | Reply

  4. Ahh… I see better where you’re going now. Discussion with the church is one thing, but personally I don’t see much biblical support for Christians *forcing* their values on anyone outside of the church under any circumstances. I believe that politically, libertarianism is the political philosophy most in harmony with what I understand to be Christian values. The discussion that I linked to in the post actually gets into pretty good detail on the subject of christian involvement in politics.

    Comment by JD — April 25, 2007 @ 3:04 pm | Reply

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